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Jongo River · Jun 21, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

I'm enjoying the SF farm, so I'm against any nerfing. I've seen and learned a lot from it, that I never would have if it hadn't been for all the SF hype.

That said, any activity repeated for a week or so starts to become gruelling, so I imagine I'll be laying off with or without intervention once I hit 120 ectos.

Squishy ftw · Jun 21, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Don't just nerf SF.

Kill it.

evenfall · Jun 21, 2008, 10:24 AM // 10:24

If you trust rumors on gwonline, anet already have plans to nerf SF.

Productivity · Jun 21, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

don't you guys understand, if you nerf SF, then what are going to equip your heroes with, a useless non-max weapon? SF is the only build that has the capacity to farm green weapons in NM/HM (HM particularly).

Strange I had no problems equipping my heros before the shadow form buff.

BlackSephir · Jun 21, 2008, 10:38 AM // 10:38

I'd nerf SF along with the rest of farming builds that are capable of farming ectos.

exploiter · Jun 21, 2008, 10:49 AM // 10:49

neither, but if I have to choose - Chaos Plains

Pleikki · Jun 21, 2008, 11:00 AM // 11:00

ID hit SF Hard. never done perma Sf = never will..

upier · Jun 21, 2008, 11:29 AM // 11:29

As long as I can Ursan it - who cares!

Smurf Minions · Jun 21, 2008, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Get rid of Natures Renewal and hello Tranquility

Lykan · Jun 21, 2008, 11:36 AM // 11:36

WOOOOHOOO yay another shadow form thread.. i'm soooo not bored of these yet....

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Originally Posted by evenfall

If you trust rumors on gwonline, anet already have plans to nerf SF.

Thats like trusting rumours from a random wammo in kamadan

Oh and if they did anything to chaos plains it would be a buff not a nerf.

Fay Vert · Jun 21, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

don't you guys understand, if you nerf SF, then what are going to equip your heroes with, a useless non-max weapon? SF is the only build that has the capacity to farm green weapons in NM/HM (HM particularly).

At first I thought he was serious

Kinn · Jun 21, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Nerf the plains. The only thing people give a shit about in this whole situation is the ecto farm. It makes sense to put something there that makes it hard for SF farmers, rather than just turning SF back into a skill that no-one is going to use in normal PvE.

You have to think about priorities. Who should Anet be catering their game to? Farmers and ecto hoarders who want SF nerfed so that their stash isn't devalued? Or actual players who now might consider putting the newly buffed SF on a skill bar in general PvE once in a while.

noob4sure · Jun 21, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Kinn

Nerf the plains. The only thing people give a shit about in this whole situation is the ecto farm. It makes sense to put something there that makes it hard for SF farmers, rather than just turning SF back into a skill that no-one is going to use in normal PvE.

SF is a problem elsewhere, too, you know.

Which makes more sense, adding a counter everywhere it's a problem, or simply nerfing it because it's a problem skill? Kill the problem skill, or screw with every single place it's used and more? Which is more practical, if nothing else, even?

As well: not that it'd be a huge problem, but a counter to SF would inevitably affect the groups that clear normally, if only slightly.

...and who the hell runs SF in normal PvE, anyway?

Avarre · Jun 21, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by Kinn

You have to think about priorities. Who should Anet be catering their game to? Farmers and ecto hoarders who want SF nerfed so that their stash isn't devalued? Or actual players who now might consider putting the newly buffed SF on a skill bar in general PvE once in a while.

What is SF used for besides farming?

The chaos planes are done in general PvE. Making the UW even easier isn't needed. I like the solution of moving the behemoth spawn points, which would block a number of builds (but not 2-man teams), but not affecting any other teams or areas of the game.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 21, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Avarre

What is SF used for besidesfarming?

The chaos planes are done in general PvE. Making the UW even easier isn't needed. I like the solution of moving the behemoth spawn points, which would block a number of builds (but not 2-man teams).

WTB more of these

Stolen Souls · Jun 21, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Neither, as I see no problem. Low prices = good.

If I absolutely had to choose...nerf the area. I like the idea that was mentioned about making those trappers impossible to pass.

Tom Swift · Jun 21, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Between the two I would rather they nerf Chaos plains - but not completely. Just make it more of a challenge. Put in some energy denial or something similar. A little above the the level of tombs would be nice - doable but a real challenge to complete because you have to watch the energy closely. (and, for all that I think SF shold not be nerfed I AM starting agree that this particular run is way over productive for too little effort)

If they have to nerf Shadow Form (and to honest, while it is a great farming build there aren't so many places outside uw where it can farm anything worth a great deal of cash - maybe DoA(?) and it is kinda of dumb to nef a skill over one farming spot) but if they have to nerf it, make it challenging but don't kill it....for instance, shorten its duration (leave swiftness alone) but remove the health penalty on ending so that with an armor buff skill you have a chance of survival in most situation.

To nerf a skill so it means nothing would be stupid game design - such oppinions are dumb in the extreme and should be ignored by all - especially the Devs. To keep a game challenging is a good idea.

romeus petrus · Jun 21, 2008, 01:02 PM // 13:02

I would say nerf the chaos plain run itself, add more Blacknesses, make it that every spawn of the snakes block the way to the chaos plains and in multiple points.

I don't see that SF would be too bad if it wasn't so efficient in farming ectos in the chaos plains.

Ferret Deathsquad · Jun 21, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I would like to nerf people how wants skills nerfed. Let it go, Just play the game and have fun.

Bryant Again · Jun 21, 2008, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Ferret Deathsquad

I would like to nerf people how wants skills nerfed. Let it go, Just play the game and have fun.

Balance be damned, in other words.

I'd nerf SF, largely because it's easier to nerf a skill as opposed to an explorable.